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Carol Schram
Joined: 09.27.2013

Oct 11 @ 2:27 PM ET
Carol Schram: Goodbye to Tanev and Stecher, no Barrie; the search is on for a defenseman With Jacob Markstrom on his way out the door, the Vancouver Canucks easily filled the void by signing Braden Holtby. It hasn't been so easy, however, to slot in new bodies to take the place of the now-departed Chris Tanev and Troy Stecher.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Oct 11 @ 2:33 PM ET
Thanks Carol.
Pres.cup
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Making the most of the worst situation... Canuck fan 4life , BC
Joined: 12.23.2014

Oct 11 @ 2:35 PM ET
Thanks Carol

Off books:

- Sutter @ 4.3
- Pearson @ 3.7
- Sven @ 3.3
- Edler @ 6
- Benn @ 2
- Spooner @ 1
- Demko, Petey, Hughs @ 1 each

That's roughly 23.3 mil coming off the books, not including any potential trades (LE, Beagle, Rous all candidates – especially at TDL if they're out of the playoffs) and if Seattle is claiming someone that is a roster player.

Additions:

- Petey @ 7-8 (I think they will go bridge deal)
- Hughes @ 7-8
- Demko at 3

That's about 17-19 mil added back on, giving 4-6 mil to fill out the roster. We can assume Podkolzin and Hoglander will be in the lineup, with potentially Tryamkin coming over as well. I think things will be fine. They're a bit handcuffed in adding any BIG names, but if they move a contract then it's fine.

- NewYorkNuck


You're forgetting RP QH bonuses of 1.5 each, so add 3m for those.

Don't assume under market value for QH EP, market value is greater then 8.5

You show 1x top 6 forward gone, 1x top 4 D gone and by your numbers 5 new players to be added.
Let's assume league minimum contracts on those. .75 x 5 is 3.25m for those 5 players, including a goaltender.
By your numbers 4 to 7m... 7 best case minus the roll over bonuses of 3m is 4.

So, again by your numbers assuming EP QH take 7m and demko takes 3, that's 20m back on and 23.3 off.

Looks like we'll be replacing Sutter, Edler, Holtby, Pearson and Benn for 3.3m(with your very optimistic contact numbers)... so we'll have 5x 750k players joining the team next year. Awesome you've changed my mind, gonna be able to sign some great players for that number.... also we'll definitely need to trade virt unless he takes the min.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Oct 11 @ 2:35 PM ET
Benning should kick some tires on Letang. Long shot but RH D fits the bill for a couple seasons.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Oct 11 @ 2:36 PM ET
Thanks Carol

Happy Thanksgiving to you and all the posters in here

SENS-sational
Ottawa Senators
Location: vancouver, BC
Joined: 02.27.2011

Oct 11 @ 2:39 PM ET
Canucks recieve zaitsev + pick for boeser
HamiltonHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.13.2015

Oct 11 @ 2:41 PM ET
What would you offer for Murphy or DeHaan?
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Oct 11 @ 2:42 PM ET
Canucks recieve zaitsev + pick for boeser
- SENS-sational


Zaitsev for LE and a pick
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Oct 11 @ 2:45 PM ET
Thanks Carol! Good range of options on D you went through, i forgot about Hamonic! Might be a solid replacement for Tanev.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Oct 11 @ 2:46 PM ET
What would you offer for Murphy or DeHaan?
- HamiltonHawk

How many bags of pucks do you need?
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 11 @ 2:48 PM ET
Thanks Carol



You're forgetting RP QH bonuses of 1.5 each, so add 3m for those.

Don't assume under market value for QH EP, market value is greater then 8.5

You show 1x top 6 forward gone, 1x top 4 D gone and by your numbers 5 new players to be added.
Let's assume league minimum contracts on those. .75 x 5 is 3.25m for those 5 players, including a goaltender.
By your numbers 4 to 7m... 7 best case minus the roll over bonuses of 3m is 4.

So, again by your numbers assuming EP QH take 7m and demko takes 3, that's 20m back on and 23.3 off.

Looks like we'll be replacing Sutter, Edler, Holtby, Pearson and Benn for 3.3m(with your very optimistic contact numbers)... so we'll have 5x 750k players joining the team next year. Awesome you've changed my mind, gonna be able to sign some great players for that number.... also we'll definitely need to trade virt unless he takes the min.

- Pres.cup

Still best to use capriendly to paint a clear picture.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 11 @ 2:49 PM ET
Thanks Carol! Good range of options on D you went through, i forgot about Hamonic! Might be a solid replacement for Tanev.
- neem55

No thx
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Oct 11 @ 2:49 PM ET
Thanks Carol!

You're forgetting RP QH bonuses of 1.5 each, so add 3m for those.

Don't assume under market value for QH EP, market value is greater then 8.5

You show 1x top 6 forward gone, 1x top 4 D gone and by your numbers 5 new players to be added.
Let's assume league minimum contracts on those. .75 x 5 is 3.25m for those 5 players, including a goaltender.
By your numbers 4 to 7m... 7 best case minus the roll over bonuses of 3m is 4.

So, again by your numbers assuming EP QH take 7m and demko takes 3, that's 20m back on and 23.3 off.

Looks like we'll be replacing Sutter, Edler, Holtby, Pearson and Benn for 3.3m(with your very optimistic contact numbers)... so we'll have 5x 750k players joining the team next year. Awesome you've changed my mind, gonna be able to sign some great players for that number.... also we'll definitely need to trade virt unless he takes the min.


From what I found, only schedule A bonuses apply to the cap, so EP + QH bonuses are 1.7 in total.

I can't assume their value, but you can? Where are you getting their market value from? What comparables in a flat salary cap are there at the moment?

7 + 7 + 3 = 17, not 20.

How am I adding 5 new players, and a goalie? You're making this hard to follow. We need to replace, from my list, Sutter, Pearson, Edler, and Benn. We have Demko and Holtby signed through that season.

So if you're going to make asinine comments, at least make sure you actually do the math properly
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Oct 11 @ 2:52 PM ET
Thanks Carol its a new reality for sure given the changing circumstances. Not subscribing to the sky is falling crowd and haters live for these moments to add fuel to the fire.

Reality is ELC's in top positions are going to be the new normal in Covid market. Its a good thing Canucks have some options there with talent that can continue the uptrend.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 11 @ 2:53 PM ET
Toffoli 4/4.75m

He didn’t do anything much on his last contract to earn much of a raise.
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Oct 11 @ 2:54 PM ET
Thanks Carol!



From what I found, only schedule A bonuses apply to the cap, so EP + QH bonuses are 1.7 in total.

I can't assume their value, but you can? Where are you getting their market value from? What comparables in a flat salary cap are there at the moment?

7 + 7 + 3 = 17, not 20.

How am I adding 5 new players, and a goalie? You're making this hard to follow. We need to replace, from my list, Sutter, Pearson, Edler, and Benn. We have Demko and Holtby signed through that season.

So if you're going to make asinine comments, at least make sure you actually do the math properly

- NewYorkNuck


Well said.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 11 @ 2:58 PM ET
Thanks Carol its a new reality for sure given the changing circumstances. Not subscribing to the sky is falling crowd and haters live for these moments to add fuel to the fire.

Reality is ELC's in top positions are going to be the new normal in Covid market. Its a good thing Canucks have some options there with talent that can continue the uptrend.

- NuckUp

ELC’s in bottom 6 & bottom pairing.
Vets will continue to be squeezed on contracts.
More middle class signings less big contracts.
Shorter terms eg 1yr 2yr & more player movement will be the new model.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Oct 11 @ 3:00 PM ET
Thanks Carol!
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Oct 11 @ 3:01 PM ET
Thanks Carol

Happy Thanksgiving to you and all the posters in here

- Codes1087

You to, son.
NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Oct 11 @ 3:09 PM ET
ELC’s in bottom 6 & bottom pairing.
Vets will continue to be squeezed on contracts.
More middle class signings less big contracts.
Shorter terms eg 1yr 2yr & more player movement will be the new model.

- Nighthawk


Not saying the other things you mention won't happen but top talent will always get paid and fitting a bunch on a contending team in the new reality won't be possible without having an ELC or 2 in a top position.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Oct 11 @ 3:14 PM ET
I wonder if Benji has even called AP’s agent?
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Oct 11 @ 3:16 PM ET
Not saying the other things you mention won't happen but top talent will always get paid and fitting a bunch on a contending team in the new reality won't be possible without having an ELC or 2 in a top position.
- NuckUp

Did tampa have many? Cirelli and Cernak, arguably no core pieces on ELC. Either way, need to keep filling the cupboards. If they shore up the right side this is still a dam good team.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Oct 11 @ 3:18 PM ET
Benning should kick some tires on Letang. Long shot but RH D fits the bill for a couple seasons.
- thundachunk

Replace tanev with an older guy that plays even less games than tanev. Hell of a player, can’t see pens moving him or the point in a young team trading fir him.
Pacificgem
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Victoria, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 11 @ 3:29 PM ET
Gonna need some Calder Trophy performances from some young defensemen if the Canucks live up to certain top ten predictions next season
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Oct 11 @ 3:34 PM ET
I wonder if Benji has even called AP’s agent?
- thundachunk

Waiting it out could be smart. Throw his hat in the ring later to drive up the price & shut out VGK. Let AP sign elsewhere would be a better option. Don’t wanna see him in Vegas. Idk who else would be that mystery team. We’d have to buy out a few players if we have a chance. Meaning certain bridge deals for Petey & Hughes for 2 years. If JB talks to them both to see if they are on board with that it could be worked out.
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